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44th City Council Race Presents Golden With Unique Opportunity to Send a Signal of Unity

January 9, 2010

Sometimes, politics presents the most interesting scenarios.

Take the 44th City Council race for example. Out of the blue, the exit of Councilman Simcha Felder could be exactly what the Brooklyn GOP needs to start to reconstitute itself from last year’s sadder happenings and divisions.

Jonathan Judge, a one-time critic of the current leadership of the Brooklyn GOP, is now running for the vacated seat. He was even once evaluated by this blog to be chairman of the party.

But Judge’s prior criticism of the party leadership in September at the County Committee Convention might be water under the bridge–or is it? You see, just before his announcement, State Senator Marty Golden endorsed a Democrat for that seat, David Greenfield. It’s unclear whether Golden was aware that Judge, also the Brooklyn Young Republican organization’s President, was running.

If not, Judge’s run might be just what the Senator needs to establish that unity is possible in the Brooklyn GOP after last year’s difficult losses and divisions.

But the pressure is on. But by not supporting Judge, it seems, the party would be in for quite a ride.

You see, to complicate matters further, the 49th Assembly District’s active Fiorello LaGuardia Club has endorsed Judge and thrown their support behind him. You may recall, the Fiorello LaGuardia Club and its leadership were very critical of Brooklyn GOP Chairman Craig Eaton (as were many of us here at Atlas–especially my colleague Francisco D’Anconia), and the club’s president Arnaldo Ferraro, the former assemblyman, even ran against Eaton at the County Committee Convention. As you may know, Francisco D’Anconia endorsed him.

The 44th City Council District has part of its territory in the 49th AD.

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Now, this change-up in the 44th CD race means Sen. Golden has a few questions to ask himself this weekend.

First and foremost, will he continue to weaken his credibility as a Republican by endorsing a Democrat over a fellow Republican in the race? We’ve already reported on various detentes with Democrats in the past on the part of the Senator. A failure to unendorse a Democrat when a credible GOP candidate is seeking the same position sends a very bad message to his constituents and the members of the Brooklyn GOP.

It would look even worse given the Senator needs all the help he can get after organizing with ACORN Amazon Bertha Lewis this past summer over the Atlantic Yards.

That video of them together must be unfortunate to any conservative or libertarian disturbed by ACORN’s antics in 2008 and 2009.

Second, does Marty Golden want to openly rebuke the 49th AD and its apparently well-oiled machine, the Fiorello LaGuardia Club? Golden already irritated the 49th AD by supporting Eaton over Ferraro in the leadership race this past year. But that would be more understandable than choosing not to endorse a candidate that the LaGuardia Club has endorsed–especially a Republican. It gives the appearance that he’s not as concerned as the 49th AD’s leaders are at supporting fellow Republicans, something he needs to avoid.

Most importantly, by our calculations, he needs the support of the 49th AD to maintain his seat in his anticipated reelection campaign, particularly if he has a Democratic challenger, as has been rumored. By shunning a candidate the 49th has endorsed to endorse a Democrat, Golden would be giving his critics all the ammunition they need to say he’s not interested in building the party but propagating his own internal deals and workings.

Lastly, does Senator Golden want to send a message that the party is not unified before the critical 2010 elections? I can’t imagine the Brooklyn Young Republicans would take too kindly to seeing the Senator shun their president for one of his opponents. Such an act would likely be the nail in the coffin for any relationships with fresh blood the party is seeking. On the other hand, a hand of friendship from the Senator would send a much more positive message.

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It’s hard to believe that even if Golden decides to back the Republican in the race that all of the stains of the past two years will be wiped clean. For example, the relationship between the Brooklyn GOP establishment and the Fiorello LaGuardia Club might be damaged beyond repair. It will be up to the establishment to give the disaffected and disheartened a reason to come back to the table.

That’s called leadership.

But no one will be able to deny that it would be, at the very least, a step in the right direction.

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Whatever he decides, he can’t take too long to make the decision. With an announcement from the Mayor due at the end of the month, Golden has very little time to weigh his options.

Since we here at Atlas still believe the Republican Party is the last best hope for Brooklyn, we hope he does the right thing and sides with the Republican in the race.

Of course, we will continue to report on any subsequent developments in this race.

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We want to give a special thanks to The Daily News’ Liz Benjamin at the fabulous Daily Politics blog for linking to Atlas in her recent piece. Her insights and analysis are always of great benefit to all of us here in Brooklyn and at Atlas.

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62 Comments
  1. Gerry permalink
    January 9, 2010 3:04 pm

    One hopes Golden has some sense left, but what he allowed the 49th to go through was totally unacceptable. Not supporting Judge just says “I’m not interested in you. I’ll go my own way.”

    Not wise.

  2. Marty Can Save The Best For Last permalink
    January 9, 2010 4:58 pm

    (Dedicated to Marty Golden–in futile anticipation of him endorsing a Republican)

    Sometimes the snow comes down in June
    Sometimes the sun goes ’round the moon
    I see the passion in your eyes
    Sometimes it’s all a big surprise
    ‘Cause there was a time when all I did was wish
    You’d tell me this was love
    It’s not the way I hoped or how I planned
    But somehow it’s enough

    And now we’re standing face to face
    Isn’t this world a crazy place
    Just when I thought our chance had passed
    You go and save the best for last

    All of the nights you came to me
    When some silly girl had set you free
    You wondered how you’d make it through
    I wondered what was wrong with you

    ‘Cause how could you give your love to someone else
    And share your dreams with me
    Sometimes the very thing you’re looking for
    Is the one thing you can’t see

    And now we’re standing face to face
    Isn’t this world a crazy place
    Just when I thought our chance had passed
    You go and save the best for last

    Sometimes the very thing you’re looking for
    Is the one thing you can’t see

    Sometimes the snow comes down in June
    Sometimes the sun goes ’round the moon
    Just when I thought our chance had passed
    You go and save the best for last

    You went and saved the best for last.

    Kiss kiss Marty 😉

  3. Bruno permalink
    January 9, 2010 5:20 pm

    Marty Golden endorsing a Republican? Is everyone crazy? That S.O.B. doesn’t care about anyone but himself. He is a RINO!! The sooner everyone realizes this the better! MARTY GOLDEN IS FINISHED!

    • R Stands for RINO permalink
      January 9, 2010 5:25 pm

      I agree. Golden took a long walk off a short pier. I don’t even see an R next to his name anymore. All I see is D-D-D-Democrat.

      Marty, you’ve slipped, baby-face.

  4. Marty from Bay Ridge permalink
    January 9, 2010 5:53 pm

    Wow, this all must have hit them by surprise! I don’t think I’ve ever seen more uncertainty in the future of the Kings County Republican Party.

    As for Golden, one more endorsement of a Democrat and that’s it. That’s the straw that breaks the camel’s back. I mean he’s one ACORN rally short of Bill Ayres at this point LOL

  5. Young Republican permalink
    January 9, 2010 8:21 pm

    “44th City Council Race Presents Golden With Unique Opportunity to Send a Signal of Unity”

    As much as Sen. Golden’s re-election bid later this year will present Atlas with a unique opportunity to send a signal of unity.

    • Young GOP Kid permalink
      January 9, 2010 8:28 pm

      Assuming Golden is still supporting Republicans at that point, I’d collect signatures for him. But, if he’s still playing the same games, I will not support him. That’s just a matter of conscience. Why should anyone support the great Marty Golden when he’s not Republican enough to support Republicans over Democrats? I think that’s more than a fair question.

      • Alberto Rosco permalink
        January 9, 2010 9:57 pm

        Golden never supported Republicans and do not assume that he ever will. All good true reform-minded Republicans should boycott collecting signatures with Golden’s name on the petition. He never was and never will be a Republican. Let his fellow Democrats support him now. Sayonara Benedict Golden. That’s more than fair.

    • Harry O'Brien permalink
      January 11, 2010 12:50 pm

      Uh, Marty Golden was the one who PROMISED unity. If he goes back on his promise, why the hell would anyone, let alone a BLOG, call for unity? lol are you thinking straight, YR?

  6. Golden Is Vito Lopez's Bitch permalink
    January 9, 2010 9:28 pm

    The real question is why did Marty Golden endorse a Democrat? Was it because he was making another deal to run unopposed in the fall? Why was he with that train-wreck Savino and that monstrous Kruger? Smells very very fishy. Vito Lopez must be pleased. He’s got Marty on his knees.

    • Young Republican permalink
      January 9, 2010 11:47 pm

      You should support Golden if you think he is representing the people of his district in the senate and oppose him if you think he isn’t representing them. He, like anyone else, has the right and obligation to support the man he thinks will do the best job representing their constituents in the office they are running for.

      • Abraham from Park Slope permalink
        January 10, 2010 12:15 am

        But in this case, he didn’t choose the man who will do the best job. Now, granted, he might not have know Jonathan Judge was running. But David Greenfield is hardly the best candidate in the race.

        And frankly, if he’s working with ACORN on Atlantic Yards, giving out his endorsements to Democrats and giving donations to Pedro Espada, I don’t think he comprehends the best interests of this state, city and his district.

        And no, I should not support Golden if he is bad for the Republican party. Why have a party at all then? He’s not being a leader, just an opportunist in that case.

      • Lora permalink
        January 12, 2010 1:09 am

        Uh, are you clueless? The fact is this election will ultimately BECOME a General Election, so maybe THEN Eaton and Golden should endorse Judge?

        Come back you reality, YR.

  7. Alberto Rosco permalink
    January 10, 2010 12:14 am

    Golden has the responsiblity to support fellow REPUBLICANS. He is not like anyone else.
    He is an elected official. He has no right to think that by himself he can support anyone he wishes. He does not neccessarily support the right man for the job based on constituents needs, rather he supports those that can give HIM the better deal. GOLDEN’S CHOICE IS NOT OUR CHOICE.

    The voters deserve the right to their choice. Golden should stay out of it.

    • January 11, 2010 2:38 pm

      That is not true. A person does not lose their right to free speech because they get elected. In fact, this argument is being used by the “liberal agenda”, causing a Mayor in CA to apologize for his religious beliefs on homosexuals.

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/25/california-mayor-apologizes-controversial-remarks-gays/

      • Alberto Rosco permalink
        January 11, 2010 7:04 pm

        A person who is elected and represents a political party needs to remain true to that party and others that wish to represent it in order to maintain credibility amongst his’her political peers. No one loses their right to free speech when elected but that person does hold influence over agenda and support because of the office they hold. The Senator made a political faux pas when he jumped the gun by endorsing a Democrat. Then again Golden was never held in high regard because of his allegiance to the Republican party and its ideals. It was convenient for him to become Republican when the senatorial district was specifically carved out for him. Many consider him opportunistic with no allegiance to anyone but himself and his acolytes.

  8. Wake Up Urban Elephants permalink
    January 10, 2010 12:34 am

    Why hasn’t Urban Elephants mentioned Judge’s run for this office? They don’t think a Republican running for this district is worthy of their coverage?

    Some Republican website they are. Wake up Daniel Peterson and Jay Golub.

    http://www.urbanelephants.com/

  9. Urban Demephant permalink
    January 10, 2010 1:09 am

    Jay Golub and Daniel Peterson have their heads up the butts of the Bay Ridge Cabal. They like it up there so much that they don’t want to come out and report on Judge’s run.
    Stay there, you’re both doing a great job sniffing gas.

  10. Conservative Party Endorsement permalink
    January 10, 2010 1:57 am

    Hey, has the Conservative Party endorsed Jonathan Judge yet?

    • Torch Light permalink
      January 10, 2010 7:01 pm

      Gerry Kassar, the Chairman of the Conservative Party in Brooklyn is also Marty Golden’s Chief of Staff, collecting an almost six figure salary. It sadly seems that Gerry will have to abide by his Master’s wishes and grant the Conservative Party’s endorsement to Mr. Greenfield. This is a blatant conflict of interest and cannot be allowed to be perpetuated any further. In all fairness, Mr. Kassar needs to resign from either position.

  11. Maximus Decimus Meridius permalink
    January 10, 2010 5:02 pm

    I wish Jonathan the best in his endeavors!

  12. Marty from Bay Ridge permalink
    January 10, 2010 5:43 pm

    All quiet on the Bay Ridge front…or is it?

  13. Gerry permalink
    January 10, 2010 9:30 pm

    Silence is Golden.

  14. Lucius permalink
    January 10, 2010 9:45 pm

    The notion that Senator Golden and the GOP establishment are “supporting the man they think will do the office for which he or she is running” is naive at best and more likely egregiously in error.

    The criticisms put forth on Atlas Shrugs in Brooklyn have, thus far, been convincing enough that there have been backroom deals made to the detriment of Republican candidates. However, they are, to the benefit of the establishment, rumors, if not plausible rumors.

    By taking this most recent and public action, Golden is, inevitably, providing his critics with the silver bullet they have been seeking. It demonstrates very publicly that Golden is not interested in putting his house in order and endorsing his own candidates but rather is interested only in aggrandizing himself at the expense of compromising the rest of Brooklyn.

    Either Golden is weaker than we imagine him to be and is perpetuating a grudge fostered by the Chairman from his recent controversial reelection, or he is supporting a Democrat as part of an orchestrated deal to prevent an inevitable challenge by a Democrat this year.

    In the end, there is no doubt in my mind that Golden, by remaining silent, has made it clear he is not interested in being a good Republican. He is not a leader, merely an opportunist. Anyone who does not see that needs to go back to the School of Politics.

  15. Bruno permalink
    January 11, 2010 12:01 am

    Lucius,
    You are a wise man. I couldn’t agree with you more.

  16. Lestat (Occassionally Masquerading as Jay Golub) permalink
    January 11, 2010 12:41 am

    I remember the old days when Urban Elephants was something great. Now, you have Jay Golub pandering to the powers that be, it seems.

    Here’s what he said recently on UE:

    these threads just repeat themselves and cross-post between themselves. Honestly, guys, come up with some new material.

    Judge just announced his campaign and he’s apparently not being endorsed by the Party (not that that should be a surprise to anyone in the know…)

    Why not focus your energy in that race and show the party what you’re made of, Dagny? I’d rather you be taking the time to post threads about war-stories of going door to door for days on end or calling voters and begging for votes for weeks til you lost your voice or coming up with a great issue to attract new voters or anything positive…

    OK Jay…

    Well, let’s see. Your blog didn’t report that a registered Republican is running for a high profile election. You run a NYC Republican blog. You report about every other little thing, but I read about the 44th on Atlas Shrugs first. Liz Benjamin apparently read about this on Atlas Shrugs first.

    So, there’s something amiss here. For months, Atlas Shrugs is the only blog reporting anything worth reading anymore?

    I don’t know what it is, but something at UE doesn’t smell right…

  17. Urban Demephant permalink
    January 11, 2010 1:11 am

    The smell comes from Jay and company sniffing Craig’s ass gas. UEEEWWW!

  18. Itzhak permalink
    January 11, 2010 1:43 am

    The Editors of Urban Elephants announced that stupid holiday party the Brooklyn GOP had, but when a Republican candidate runs in the 44th, they stay silent? As someone who knows Jonathan Judge, I have to say that’s kind of stupid.

    • Urban Demephant permalink
      January 11, 2010 1:54 am

      “Like Momma used to say..Stupid is as stupid does.”
      Forrest Gump

  19. Dubious in Douglaston permalink
    January 11, 2010 2:28 am

    Why did Marty Golden bend over backwards to help several Republican Queens’ councilmen get elected, and now go and endorse a Democrat in Brooklyn?

  20. Stephanie Albanesi permalink
    January 11, 2010 8:55 am

    I am highly dubious that Chairman Eaton and State Senator Golden will do anything constructive and productive to help the city council campaign of Jonathan Judge.

    I would prefer to be proved wrong by my comment.

    What will it be Mr. Craig Eaton and Mr. Martin Golden?

    http://www.urbanelephants.com/index.php/component/content/2088.html?task=view#pc_6447

    • Gerry permalink
      January 11, 2010 12:48 pm

      I hope Judge reaches out to them. What are they gonna say then? He didn’t try? HA!

  21. Wag-the-Dog permalink
    January 11, 2010 10:02 am

    Surprise, surprise!!!

    Gerry O’Brien is quite happy that Jonathan Judge is running in the “special” for Simcha Felder’s City Council seat.

    Although still quite antagonistic to Judge generally, mostly regarding Judge’s recent support of Arnaldo Ferrarro at the County Convention, O’Brien was almost avuncular about “the guy’s unexpected run for ‘the council’.”

    “Now, maybe he’ll learn something about real politics here in Brooklyn.” Then GOB regaled me about his first run for office against City Council Majority Leader Thomas Cuite (D, Windsor Terrace) back in the 1970’s, when GOB was still a teenager.

    The old (real) GOB soon reappeared, commenting that he figured that JJ would either drop out prior to any real campaigning, that his petitioning effort would fail, or that he probably would not get on the ballot due to various technical mistakes that first-time candidates always seem to make. When I pressed him about opposition or support of the JJ candidacy, O’Brien just said, “I really could care less, right now—just say I said, ‘Good Luck’.”

    He closed by pointing out, “Remember, this is the same crew that ran George Smith— look how that turned out.”

    On a slightly different front—somebody told one of my sources that Anthony Testaverde, State Senator Golden’s staffer, was going to swing Golden and Eaton behind JJ. Wasn’t his last big tout to them the afore-mentioned late, great George Smith in his 2009 run for the City Council?

    • Harry O'Brien permalink
      January 11, 2010 12:46 pm

      For all we know, Wag-The-Dog is my other sibling, Gerry O’Brien. Otherwise, who the hell would quote that insignificant little criminal who apparently attacked Judge and stole signatures in the 39th CD race? At this point, his opinion his even more irrelevant that that of Craig Eaton’s.

      (District Leader Yvette Velazquez Bennett stated: “I don’t know if the complete set [of petitions] were handed in”; subsequently, she accused the Merlin of Malice of stealing more than 200 signatures.)

      https://atlasshrugsinbrooklyn.wordpress.com/2009/09/15/dark-cloud-of-party-in-fighting-overshadows-39th-city-council-district-primary/

      The comparisons to George Smith are comical at best and insulting at worst.

      O’Brien needs to be thoroughly investigated. I want to see that man’s head on a political pike–figuratively, of course! 😉

      Forget Wag-the-Dog; I want to see the dogs hunt O’Brien down and drag him off the political map like he’s tried to do to so many of his betters–figuratively, of course! 😉

      His betters have come back to strike at him, it seems–figuratively, of course! 😉

    • Matsumoto permalink
      January 11, 2010 1:17 pm

      GOB? Don’t you mean SOB?

  22. Gerry permalink
    January 11, 2010 12:54 pm

    Wow, this is very funny. Golden and Eaton put themselves between a rock an a hard place. I hope that Judge reaches out. I can’t wait to hear what happens then!

  23. Lora permalink
    January 11, 2010 1:09 pm

    Those irrelevant twerps Jeff Kraus and Russell Gallo are at it again attacking Judge and, of course, Atlas. Don’t they get that all they’re doing is solidifying support behind him and proving to everyone that the establishment is a coven of desperate lunatics?

    Fellas, the jig is up! Everyone knows its you guys! It’s common knowledge. You demand that people come on to deny that they are not involved in Atlas Shrugs, but Gallo and Kraus themselves refuse to admit they are Judas Judge and AAA.

    So, the question begs, who’s fooling who??? LOL

    This Bay Ridge Cabal Special Atlas Task Force (which consists of two individuals who both worked for failed Gentile challenger Capano) are so furious and desperate over Atlas Shrugs in Brooklyn that they have accused everyone and their mother of endorsing the site.

    To this day, they have no clue.

    Btw Jeff Kraus, I will never forgive you for attacking Alex Zablocki, you thuggish Democrat. Your boy Bob Capano got thwarted by Alex in the newspapers. Is this payback? You wish you were half the man he is.

  24. Wag-the-Dog permalink
    January 11, 2010 1:35 pm

    To: Harry O’Brien,

    Other sibling? —I doubt it, but who really knows about such things.

    I can definitely state that I’m not Gerry O’Brien and I don’t play him on television.

    • Harry O'Brien permalink
      January 11, 2010 1:45 pm

      All in jest. We merely share the same last name 😉

      Thanks for the opportunity to call out my “brother” lol

  25. Dagny Taggart permalink
    January 11, 2010 6:35 pm

    For those interested, I have been commenting with the readers of Urban Elephants on my cross-post of Midas’ story. Check it out here:

    http://www.urbanelephants.com/index.php/component/content/article/64/2098-44th-city-council-race-presents-golden-with-unique-opportunity-to-send-a-signal-of-unity.html

    Thanks everyone!

  26. Lora permalink
    January 12, 2010 1:07 am

    The Eaton/Golden Brigands that form the Brooklyn GOP’s Special Atlas Task Force. They have struck out again, desperately swinging away at whichever person they can.

    Guys, the jig is up! Everyone knows its you! It’s well known. You demand that people come on to deny that they are involved in Atlas Shrugs, but Gallo and Kraus themselves refuse to admit they are Judas Judge and AAA.

    So, the question begs, who’s fooling who??? LOL

    I recommend you guys retire from politics permanently. You’ve so far been wrong about everything you’ve said, it seems. This is all just a sad grudge that’s gone terribly wrong.

    You people are SICK and OUT OF YOUR MINDS! CHECK INTO A MENTAL HOSPITAL IMMEDIATELY! LOL

    Desperation…Desperation…Desperation…

  27. Méchanceté permalink
    January 12, 2010 1:24 am

    Will someone PLEASE investigate Gerry O’Brien? Please! That thug must be wiped off the political map! lol

  28. Message to Marty Golden permalink
    January 12, 2010 1:55 am

    Message to Marty Golden: Don’t EVER take sides against the family AGAIN…

  29. Words of Wisdom permalink
    January 12, 2010 1:58 am

    “If they really believe any of their paranoid delusions, then the establishment has some serious problems. They should stop chasing ghosts and get to building the fighting machine we need to challenge the Democrats. Everyone is responsible and there are no exceptions for leadership.”

    http://www.fabiangambino.com/

    • FABIAN!!!!! permalink
      January 12, 2010 11:11 am

      Wow – Fabian is really impressed with himself – many quotes, his own website. Wow!!!! He is amazing.

      And what has he done? He is a County Comittee Member? That is impresssssive. What has he really done for the party, candidates, etc.

      I venture to guesss – ZERO

      What a Looooooooooser!!!!!!!!

      • January 14, 2010 1:13 pm

        you really think that was me quoting myself? funny enough someone is going around using my name lol

  30. Wag-the-Dog permalink
    January 12, 2010 10:32 am

    Everybody needs to get a grip.

    In politics friendship and good will is better than enmity and rancor.

    Does everyone (anyone) really want to purge every other Republican who doesn’t agree with them— how about if the rest of us all agree to purge you?

    Do we want to look for every skeleton in everybody’s closet— how about we first look at what’s in your closet?

    Some might argue that politics, like diplomacy, is really war by other means, but they should remember what happens when we literally “…let slip the dogs of war.”

    “…Blood and destruction shall be so in use
    And dreadful objects so familiar
    That mothers shall but smile when they behold
    Their infants quarter’d with the hands of war;
    All pity choked with custom of fell deeds:
    And Caesar’s spirit, ranging for revenge,
    With Ate by his side come hot from hell,

    That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
    With carrion men, groaning for burial…”

    Shakespeare put this iteration into the mouth of Antony— who used Caesar’s death for his own political purposes. Historically, things did not go well for the anti-Caesar conspirators— but historically how did things turn out for Antony and his gal pal?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius permalink
      January 12, 2010 3:42 pm

      Maybe I’m forgetting my history, but it was my understanding that Caesar was very forgiving and welcomed back many former supporters of Pompey and granted them amnesty. He was generous and forgiving because he sought to build a vast political coalition and maintain support and stability after what had been a very painful and bloody war. That made the act of betraying him that much more devious and wrong.

      Given that, I think Golden and Eaton should have learned a lesson from Caesar and extended an olive branch after the convention. I’ve heard that an olive branch was extended from some of his detractors, but thus far Eaton and Golden have not sought peace and stability in the Brooklyn GOP.

      As such, they deserve neither respect nor loyalty from those that they have spurned.

      All you’ve demonstrated is that you can copy and paste Shakespeare. That doesn’t substitute for understanding the actual moral of the story history has taught us, Dog.

  31. Wag-the-Dog permalink
    January 12, 2010 5:22 pm

    All I said was that “Everybody needs to get a grip.” I’m shocked that advocating cool headedness and tranquility fosters even the slightest hostility in these precincts.

    The quote from Shakespeare is after the murder of Caesar.

    Caesar had been crafty, I’ll give you that, but he miscalculated and didn’t have his ducks in a row for his coup, and a proposed Asian campaign against the Parthians. He did not survive the Ides of March—Brutus, a former supporter, “the unkindest cut”… the quote above, etc. were all followed by another civil war in Rome that spilled into the provinces/territories (soon to be the Roman Empire). Marc Antony hunted down the conspirators and others, but he failed to politically consolidate his position in Rome and eventually power passed completely to Caesar’s selected heir, who had outmaneuvered Caesar’s bloodthirsty avenger. Antony stayed in Egypt purportedly to be with Cleopatra until other politically savvy and patriotic Romans successfully attacked the combined sea and land forces of Antony and Cleopatra in Egypt.

    My point was that the rambunctious Marc Antony, who had been approached with a deal by the conspirators after Caesar’s assassination, though apparrently honorable in refusing to allign with the bad guys, was impetuous in pursuing, attacking and destroying them. Though victorious and politically popular in the short run, Antony was ultimately undone.

    RHM as GW wants me to ask— What “moral” of history do you wish to make? Certainly “…build[ing] a vast political coalition and maintain[ing] support and stability” would not be viewed as “moral” goals by the real heroes in ATLAS SHRUGGED or THE FOUNTAINHEAD; it would be rightly viewed as the height of “Second Handing” or “Tooheyism”.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius permalink
      January 12, 2010 7:05 pm

      Your statement presents, at best, a rudimentary understanding of the history of the time.

      For example, you forget that Octavian, Caesar’s adopted son, actually allied himself with Antony to vanquish the last of Caesar’s assassins and enemies. They consolidated and distributed powers between the new triumvirate that followed. Antony didn’t fail because he attacked Caesar’s ASSASSINS. That’s what formed the triumvirate of him, Lepidus and Octavian in the first place. It was when he used his control of Egypt and the Eastern Provinces to exert political pressure on Octavian and Rome in the West that he was ultimately undone (it didn’t help that a chauvinistic Roman people were furious with him deferring to his bewitching lover Cleopatra).

      Now, I love history. But, frankly, I don’t understand what your point is in making a reference to Antony and Caesar. Your point was lost. Rather than prattling on, get to your point- and make it succinct. Don’t base it on history, since you are just confusing people by your lack of understanding.

      Furthermore, I’m not a student of Rand nor have I read her books. I follow this blog because I’m a Republican in the Brooklyn area, and I believe my party has forsaken individuals just like me at the local level. As such, you may direct your last bit of comments to someone who appreciates them.

  32. Wag-the-Dog permalink
    January 13, 2010 9:49 am

    To: Maximus…whatever,

    To the extent this blog borrows “Atlas Shrugs” for its name, it references Ayn Rand’s work. By allowing all manner of chatter under the guise Rand’s titled work, it deconstructs Ayn Rand’s work. I merely pointed that out for any Randy afficionados, in passing.

    I have no way of knowing whether you are a “Republican in the Brooklyn area” (whatever the hell that means), but I doubt that you know or love history as much as you pretend— S. Seutonius Tranquillus— historian or storyteller? Robert Graves— definitely a story teller, but also a classical historian and translator of Seutonius; “Rome” the mini-series— great soft-core porn, great gossip, some history. Nothing that you added contradicted what I said.

    At any rate my reference to Antony and Caesar was literary (you know a cut-and-paste job from Shakespeare). It was used as an admonition to all sides and all “players” (including would-be and pretend players) that: a) you reap what you sow; and b) IF YOU PLAY POLITICS AS A BLOOD SPORT, DON’T BE SURPRISED IF IT’S YOUR BLOOD— “Oopsy-daisy!” [cinematic reference— DDL].

    Clear enough?????

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